rckybrook
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Mk 1 coachbuilt motorhome
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Post by rckybrook on Jan 24, 2018 14:32:23 GMT 1
My Mk1 was first registered abroad, and appeared to have returned to the UK in November 1978, when it was first registered here. At the time, evidently the owner simply declared it as manufactured in 1978. However, the build year is stamped on the engine plate - along with the VIN - displayed in the drivers footwell: build year - 77. Also, the VIN number BD05TU tells me it was built in Britian, at Southampton, in February 1077. This information was easily findable on tinternet.
Has anyone any experience of DVLA accepting this evidence as sufficient to change the declared date of manufacture on my V5? It's pretty obvious that my transit was built in 77 - it has had this VIN number since 1977, and DVLA have known this since 1978 anyway.
Are they going to ask me for ridiculous evidence which I couldn't possibly find or provide, or will they accept what is right before their eyes? I've got a naff feeling many many hoops will need to be jumped through, with many many, many boxes tickled ... of course it's because I want my rightful tax exemption this year. Any feedback much appreciated.
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Post by dodgerover on Jan 24, 2018 17:07:15 GMT 1
They will want something from the manufacturer or an approved (by them) club. You can't use information off the internet or already registered vehicles as proof of age anymore. Expect them to want it inspected as well. Any discrepancies with the chassis number locations etc could lead to a world of pain.
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rckybrook
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Mk 1 coachbuilt motorhome
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Post by rckybrook on Jan 24, 2018 18:17:00 GMT 1
This is what concerns me. You don't think they will accept the engine vin plate(drivers foot well, and its rhd)which not only has the vin number clearly marked on it, but also has the actually build year- stamped as 77. How can they deny that ffs? . . . But my gut tells me they are going to drag me through hell and back. A world of pain, as you so eloquently put it, and I'm inclined to agree . . .
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 24, 2018 21:35:49 GMT 1
Is the van actually registered now? If so, I would be tempted to leave it. It's only one year's difference. The van's still tax exempt this year isn't it?
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Post by rckybrook1 on Jan 24, 2018 23:46:58 GMT 1
The van will only become tax exempt next year - April 2019, as they will presumably use the November 1978 regestration date as its manufacture date. Like I said, the front of the v5 says "declared manufactured 1978" but does not specify when in 1978. If manufactured before 7th January 1978 then yes, i'll get tax exemption this April. But what's the chances that they will accept the first week of Jan as is manufacture date when it's a vague as "1977!"
Yes, its been registered to me since 2003, and yes she's taxed until August this year, and has been continuously taxed motd insured since I've owned her.
I want tax and mot exemption when she's rightfully entitled to it, that's all. Why should I wait till she's 41??
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Post by dodgerover on Jan 25, 2018 0:28:59 GMT 1
No they won't accept it. When you had local offices and you could talk to someone there it might have been ok but not now. Letter from the manufacturer or an accredited club is the only way.
To be honest with the vehicle of historic interest exemptions from tax and testing and all the clauses they've come up with unless it's 100% as it left the factory I wouldn't want to go through the hastle to save £230. For example if it started as a petrol or Perkins diesel and it's now fitted with a Di and 5 speed it's no longer historic or exempted from testing. 1 because the Di was never fitted to a mk1 as standard you would need to prove to their satisfaction it was a common modification within 10 years of production ending. 2 to fit a 5 speed you need to cut the floor for the gear lever, going by the rules that means you have modified the monocoque construction and the vehicle needs to be reregistered unless you can prove it was carried out before 1988.
It's opening a can of worms.
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Post by rckybrook1 on Jan 25, 2018 8:43:12 GMT 1
dodgerover - is this something you've been through? I personally anticipate much misery if I do try to prove the real date of manufacture . . .
I've spoken to DVLA twice now; the first advised that I send in the V5 complete with some pics of both the VIN plates as evidence and a covering letter explaining how they show that it is indeed a 1977; the second adviser - 2 days later - advised I go to a Ford Dealer, and get them to give a me a letter on headed paper confirming the vehicles age, and include this with the V5 and any other evidence, such as pics of the VIN plates(including the one showing the date actually stamped as 77). It worries me I have been given slightly different advice on 2 separate occasions.
I asked the second adviser what would happen if they deny my claim, will I simply get the V5 returned, and he said yes, they would return the V5 and explain why the change was denied. I'm not convinced . . .
I'm going to approach a Ford dealer as a starting point; I may get lucky and get a letter of confirmation straight away, and then I can consider what to do. If I don't do this, I've got another 2 years of road tax to pay. Currently a vehicle has to have been built before 1 Jan 1977 to get exemption, so by april this year I think that will change to before 1 Jan 1978. I will have to wait until April 2019(vehicles built before jan 1979) to get exemption.
The monocoque chassis is totally original and unmodified/chopped in any way.
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Post by dodgerover on Jan 25, 2018 9:59:28 GMT 1
Yep we went through it when the local offices were still open with a land rover manufactured on 1st Jan. Local office agreed it was exempt, 6 months later DVLA didn't. Ended up paying back tax after a huge letter writing session. There's loads on the internet from reliable sources about what's now classed of historic interest and what Isn't, now they've outsourced identity checking to another body it's just another cause for grief.
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Post by rckybrook1 on Jan 25, 2018 10:26:40 GMT 1
Dodgerover you sound like a man who has suffered . . . something I want to avoid
Were you trying to prove a vehicle was pre 1973, or trying to prove it was older than the V5 stated in order to come into the new 40 year cut-off?
I know they put people through hell if they were trying to get the pre-73(what was the 25 year exemption until Tony Blair said no, f**k you all, classic car owners). But are they as anal about the 40 year rolling exemption? I would have thought they wouldn't be so harsh on vehicles that are going to get exemption in 9 months anyway?
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Post by bullsintransit on Jan 25, 2018 11:41:08 GMT 1
Think tax exemptions going to become a minor,what I’d be worried about if I was still there after experiences here in Spain is the default emmision level of new mot test coming in May if it’s not exempted
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Post by rckybrook1 on Jan 25, 2018 12:07:33 GMT 1
The mot exemption is also at 40 years old. If I can legitimately correct my date of manufacture to what it really is then no more mots for me. If not, I've got one more to get through until she's 40 years old as shown on the v5 . . . I could do it before May even though that's 6 months before the current one runs out, and that would comfortably see me through until full mot exemption kicks in a she was first registered Nov 78. shame though s she's definitely February 77
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 25, 2018 12:20:00 GMT 1
So is it the historic free tax that matters? MOT exemption? Both? If it's the tax, and it's possible, put her on a SORN until it kicks in. If it's the MOT, all new regulations and changes usually have a date cut off. It's unlikely new emissions readings will effect any Mk1. For instance, a Mk1 won't have a test for a catalytic converter as it wouldn't have had one from the factory. In the case of diesel, a Mk1 or Mk2 won't fail the test for not having an EGR for the same reason.
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Post by bullsintransit on Jan 25, 2018 12:49:53 GMT 1
Just got an uneasy feeling Fred that because there giving a new classification/exemption for vehicle to be VHI,d if it’s not and still driving it will have to meet/pass the upcoming new emmision mot regs for non exempt vehicles. Tis why I had to go Historic with van here,also why my Seat diesel(85) is sitting in the garage scrap.
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Post by rckybrook1 on Jan 25, 2018 13:47:50 GMT 1
So is it the historic free tax that matters? MOT exemption? Both? If it's the tax, and it's possible, put her on a SORN until it kicks in. If it's the MOT, all new regulations and changes usually have a date cut off. It's unlikely new emissions readings will effect any Mk1. For instance, a Mk1 won't have a test for a catalytic converter as it wouldn't have had one from the factory. In the case of diesel, a Mk1 or Mk2 won't fail the test for not having an EGR for the same reason. Its both - it's the principle that she should be entitled to exemption from both of them, as she really is 41 years old in February. I suppose also its that I get the feeling I will be made to feel like some kind of criminal committing massive fraud if I even try to correct the mistake on the v5 and save one years road tax. The feeling i'll get punished by being made to go through a hellish never ending purgery of letters and forms. That's what it really is. I guess I should just pay another years tax. The current tax is until September anyway
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 25, 2018 15:21:18 GMT 1
Sometimes life is just too short to try to get sense out of the DVLA. If you SORN her when the tax is up, the government won't get any more of your money anyway. It's then only a few months to free tax. If she was a 69 re registered in 77 it would be a different thing. I do understand, it like the frustration of having a van that's only a few days outside getting free tax this year.
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