widge
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Post by widge on May 9, 2017 6:19:45 GMT 1
Hi I am new to this group, I live in France and have a 1981 2.4 Diesel Transit camper van, when we were out a couple of days ago the engine started making loud tapping noise's, a bit like a belt had shredded and was hitting something I pulled over immediately and it stalled, at looking at the engine I could not see anything obvious except it had obviously pressurised the crankcase as it had blown loads of oil out of the filler cap.
Had to get recovery to tow it away, obviously until I get it back home I cannot investigate further, the motor sounds fairly terminal, my problem is looking on the internet I am finding it difficult to find both information and sources of parts, it is many years since I have done any major engine repairs but happy to attempt it but I need to be sure I can source parts and information on how to do the job. if anyone can point me to websites for information and parts it would be welcome.
I know it is quite common in the UK to fit a later transit engine and gearbox, I cannot do that here, the French are very tight on regulations, you cannot change the specification of a vehicle from its original manufacturing spec.
Thanks for any help Dave
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Post by FredTransit on May 9, 2017 9:57:04 GMT 1
Welcome Dave. The York and DI are VERY similar. So similar I would like to bet to get your MOT (Carte Gris?)there's little chance of the tester noticing. There's no need to go turbo, even banana. You can fit you manifolds to the DI. The main differences are (later engines) have the brake vac pump on the alternator, not the block and the DI has no glow plugs. The glow plug can be mocked up, and earlier engines (84-86) do have the vac pump on the block. Visually, you would need the two side by side. Have you tried a compression test? Without hearing the noise, it could be a piston ring.
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Post by widge on May 9, 2017 12:55:35 GMT 1
Hi
Thanks for the information, unfortunately during the control technique (French MOT) they are supposed confirm engine and chassis numbers, so I would have to officially change the engine number on the Carte Gris (French V5 registration document) and this may be a problem. I am happy to try and rebuild the engine if necessary but I was just worried that I couldn't find the necessary information and parts.
As far as the compression test, as yet the camper is still with the breakdown company I am currently trying to get it shipped back here, a bit fun and games as the recovery insurance only gets it to a garage so I am having to pay towards it, secondly there is no way the truck that picked me up can get to my house, so I will have to tow it the last 2.5kms up a steep windy hill, luckily I also have a Land rover discovery.
Dave
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Post by irishtransit on May 9, 2017 15:39:52 GMT 1
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Post by FredTransit on May 9, 2017 22:18:05 GMT 1
Can you get the van out of the recovery company? Get out onto the road, get online and take out euro breakdown cover. Do you have a UK address? Give it long enough as if you drove there, call for recovery. DO NOT TELL THEM YOU WERE OUT OF THE COUNTRY WHEN YOU TOOK OUT THE COVER. It could be too late for that though, if you have already called for recovery.
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Post by FredTransit on May 9, 2017 22:22:12 GMT 1
Also going back to your Carte Grise, if you changed the engine number, could they check if it was a York or a DI? Would they know either if it fell on them?
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widge
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Post by widge on May 10, 2017 7:10:01 GMT 1
Hi To be honest I don't know how much they would check, but it could be a lot of time and money to discover that they do check and reject it, but I will ask around and try and find out, also we are still talking about an old engine with possibly no history even if I manage to pick one up second hand, at least if I rebuild the original, (if it is not too damaged) I know I have a good motor for many years to come. so I am back to my original question of are the parts easily available and can anyone suggest either a good manual or suitable documentation on the internet.
Dave
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Post by bullsintransit on May 10, 2017 8:59:39 GMT 1
Hi, Have you looked on 'motomobil gmbh' website,some parts for the 2.4 are available on their site new. Also has a table in technical data showing engine codes for any particular year/model,would of thought although your going to see what wrong with existing engine,worst scenario would give you a guide for replacement second hand engine(if present too damage to repair)as far as matching codes to year for carte gris. Manual wise I think your have to hunt a York specific one off of eBay etc.
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Post by dodgerover on May 10, 2017 18:24:54 GMT 1
Maybe the best thing to do would be to get it home and try to find out what has gone wrong. How old was the timing belt - could it have jumped? Or maybe an injector failed?
The genuine ford factory manual covers the York engine if you can find one.
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Post by widge on May 11, 2017 13:18:24 GMT 1
Hi After looking at "motomobil gmbh" (Thanks bullsintransit) at least I am happy that it is possible to get hold of everything I might need to do a rebuild if necessary, I just need to wait to get it back from the recovery people and start the ivestigation.
Thanks to everyone for your comments and help, I will let you know how I progress.
Dave
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Post by FredTransit on May 11, 2017 14:49:34 GMT 1
The early DI (with the Lucas pump and the vac pump on the block) runs and runs. We had one up to approx 400,000. We bought it as a low mileage second hand engine. Are you on a two year test? If it's not due yet, fit the DI (not hard if you are willing to rebuild the York) and either take your time with the original engine or changing the engine number
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Post by bacdava on Sept 22, 2019 2:18:51 GMT 1
Unfortunately my York critically failed. Ugly noise wile cruising on the highway at about 50 MPH and stopped. I removed the nose and the timing was off but the big problem is a very nasty play (1mm+) on the crankshaft. I suspect either one or more journal bearing caps failed or a broken crankshaft.
The question is, can anybody help me with the PDF of the repair manual?
Thank you!
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Post by Ralph on Sept 23, 2019 7:04:56 GMT 1
I can send you a genuine Ford manual for the York engine?
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