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Post by widge on May 10, 2021 22:46:29 GMT 1
Hi
I was out shopping for the day with my wife today, as usual we took the camper, with covid it gives us somewhere to eat and the added bonus is a toilet. anyway when we came out of Lidls I noticed something dripping from the front of the engine on closer inspection discovered it was diesel dripping from the timing belt cover a quick look around the top of the engine gave no clues of where it was coming from anyway didn't have time to investigate further when I got home, and the weather is going to stop me doing anything more the rest of this week, but wondered if anyone had any suggestions of the source or if this is a common problem.
Regards Dave
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Post by widge on May 11, 2021 14:32:19 GMT 1
Hi
I was out shopping for the day with my wife today, as usual we took the camper, with covid it gives us somewhere to eat and the added bonus is a toilet. anyway when we came out of Lidls I noticed something dripping from the front of the engine on closer inspection discovered it was diesel dripping from the timing belt cover a quick look around the top of the engine gave no clues of where it was coming from anyway didn't have time to investigate further when I got home, and the weather is going to stop me doing anything more the rest of this week, but wondered if anyone had any suggestions of the source or if this is a common problem.
Regards Dave
The weather held out so managed to have a look, the diesel is defiantly coming out of the the cambelt housing and the cambelt is covered with diesel, so I am guessing that the injection pump is leaking, it is also started running very badly and stalling as if air is getting into the fuel line, I wouldn't have run it at all but as it looks like it might be layed up for a while I needed to move to somewhere that wasn't in the way.
I presume that new pumps are fairly scarce and that getting this one reconditioned is the away to go, I presume that it is a job for an expert?
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Post by muttleymk2 on May 11, 2021 21:51:43 GMT 1
Its probably the shaft seal on the front of the pump. You will have to replace the contaminated belt so time it all up, remove the injection pump for overhaul. When tou get the pump back it should be locked in the correct position, fit with new belt and away you go
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Post by widge on May 11, 2021 22:16:41 GMT 1
Its probably the shaft seal on the front of the pump. You will have to replace the contaminated belt so time it all up, remove the injection pump for overhaul. When tou get the pump back it should be locked in the correct position, fit with new belt and away you go Thanks for that, not having ever changed a timing belt before do you know if there is already a post on this forum or a web site/youtube describing the procedure?
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Post by muttleymk2 on May 12, 2021 22:15:42 GMT 1
Plenty of info online, not difficult though, you need a timing pin set (ebay) . Crank pin goes in the hole by the starter, pump in on the pulley and also camshaft pin on the pulley.
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Post by widge on May 16, 2021 7:46:42 GMT 1
Hi I am still waiting for a quote for the repair of the pump before I remove it, but i was thinking while I have the front off doing a couple of other jobs that might be more accessible, one being changing the engine mounting rubbers which are looking fairly shot, but I am having problems fimding any or even a part number, I wondered if anyone could point me in the right direction, I am in France so preferably somewhere in europe as it has got a bit expensive getting bits from the UK. Dave
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Post by muttleymk2 on May 16, 2021 21:53:56 GMT 1
Have you tried Motomobil, in Germany I think.
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Post by widge on Jun 11, 2021 14:11:41 GMT 1
Its probably the shaft seal on the front of the pump. You will have to replace the contaminated belt so time it all up, remove the injection pump for overhaul. When tou get the pump back it should be locked in the correct position, fit with new belt and away you go Thanks for that, not having ever changed a timing belt before do you know if there is already a post on this forum or a web site/youtube describing the procedure? Hi, Just an update, I stripped all the front of the van out and timing cover and a mechanic friend has had a look for me, it is defiantly the shaft seal which he managed to remove and has ordered a replacement along with new belts etc, but interestingly he reckons that the timing belt was one tooth out ( I presume on the injector pump), but it always seemed to run ok, what sort of effects would you expect that to give?
Dave
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Post by muttleymk2 on Jun 11, 2021 22:29:10 GMT 1
Hard to say what effects, if on the pump it may have been adjusted away by rotating the pump. Its difficult to get the timing wrong on those due to the locking pins.
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Post by widge on Jun 12, 2021 6:51:24 GMT 1
Hard to say what effects, if on the pump it may have been adjusted away by rotating the pump. Its difficult to get the timing wrong on those due to the locking pins. Thanks, That was it he couldn't get all the locking pins to line up. I did notice that there appeard to be an adjustment on the pump, is there a procedure anywhere for adjusting it? As presumably it will be wrong if we put the new cambelt on correctly.
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Post by muttleymk2 on Jun 12, 2021 22:02:39 GMT 1
I would see hiw it runs first, it a bit tricky timing the pump. You need to static time it first, you need a spill pipe on no 1 injector.
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Post by widge on Aug 7, 2021 15:51:44 GMT 1
I would see hiw it runs first, it a bit tricky timing the pump. You need to static time it first, you need a spill pipe on no 1 injector. Hi
I have eventually managed to get the parts and replace the seal on the injection pump, and it is all back together but running very badly.
First thing is that when we took the old cam belt off we discovered that it was not correctly installed it was one tooth out (now you are going to ask where it was one tooth out) if we lined up everything I think it was the pump that was incorrect,
We have now installed the new belt as it should be but the adjustment on the pump cog (the retaining screws have slots so it will rotate) was at its maximum.
It will now start but runs very unevenly and wont keep running by its self, it also wont rev over about 2000rpm, so I am guessing that somebody at some point installed the cam belt incorrectly and adjusted the fuel pump to compensate.
Anyway does anyone have an aligning the pump dummys instructions that they could let me have?
Thanks in advance
Dave
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Post by muttleymk2 on Aug 7, 2021 22:20:57 GMT 1
Are there marks on the pump pulley where the bolts were before?
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Post by widge on Aug 8, 2021 6:29:40 GMT 1
Are there marks on the pump pulley where the bolts were before? I don't remember seeing any, and can't check without stripping it all down again, but if we are correct about the cam belt being incorrectly fitted before, the previous marks won't help without fitting the cambelt incorrectly again, I don't think I have much choice but try and align the pump from scratch.
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Post by widge on Aug 8, 2021 9:32:10 GMT 1
I would see hiw it runs first, it a bit tricky timing the pump. You need to static time it first, you need a spill pipe on no 1 injector. Hi
I have eventually managed to get the parts and replace the seal on the injection pump, and it is all back together but running very badly.
First thing is that when we took the old cam belt off we discovered that it was not correctly installed it was one tooth out (now you are going to ask where it was one tooth out) if we lined up everything I think it was the pump that was incorrect,
We have now installed the new belt as it should be but the adjustment on the pump cog (the retaining screws have slots so it will rotate) was at its maximum.
It will now start but runs very unevenly and wont keep running by its self, it also wont rev over about 2000rpm, so I am guessing that somebody at some point installed the cam belt incorrectly and adjusted the fuel pump to compensate.
Anyway does anyone have an aligning the pump dummys instructions that they could let me have?
Thanks in advance
Dave
Just found the same problem on a 2008 post on fordtransit.org This was the last entry, ‐---‐------------------ Yesterday I asked a guy who's job is to adjust fuel pumps to have a look at mine and he spotted the problem right away. When the workshop changed the timing belt, they aligned the locking hole on the pump pulley with the hole on the engine case. One hole perfectly aligned with the other: WRONG!! It must be half-aligned!! Like a half moon. We adjusted the pump and all the white/blue(ish) smoke is gone, idling speed stable and it "goes" very well. It drives great again! -------------------------- This sounds wrong I think that there must be an adjustment on the pump so that the cog lines up correctly otherwise the belt tension must be wrong, unless the holes are not suposed to be lined up?
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