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Post by dodgerover on Feb 11, 2014 13:24:03 GMT 1
Any modifications to the monocoque eg cutting a bulkhead to get a bigger motor in, should result in an IVA, this all came in about 8 years ago, so i'de suggest any modifications were done pre that then they are OK. On a vehicle with a seperate chassis you can basically do what you want and retain the ID, as long as you don't modify the chassis. There are an awful lot of land/ range rover bobtails (chassis cut down to just behind the rear wheel) that have been pulled and lost their ID, in fact they carried out an inspection at one off road event and found issues with 75% of the vehicles their. All the details are freely available on the net - looking at the forums its something VOSA etc are clamping down on Here is a reference for you to have a look at: www.the-ace.org.uk/existing-registered-vehicles-the-8-point-rule-and-retrospective-biva/#more-751www.the-ace.org.uk/links-to-existing-legislation-svadvla/
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Post by FredTransit on Feb 11, 2014 13:27:27 GMT 1
to be completely honest I wouldnt worry too much about the IVA. I say insure it, test it tax it. Some people run around like a headless chicken making scary posts (usually on RR) but you have to live in the real world!! Its the outragious stuff that gets the wrong attention.
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Post by dodgerover on Feb 11, 2014 14:08:54 GMT 1
Yep would probably get away with it on an existing british registered van but, I think they might twig a mid engined mk1 transit probably isn't standard spec from Malta when it goes for inspection to get registered though
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Post by FredTransit on Feb 11, 2014 15:36:03 GMT 1
oh I do know of a Q plate, a CF1 on military axles but there were rumours the builder/owner was grassed up.....
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Post by mk1 on Feb 12, 2014 10:08:50 GMT 1
Any modifications to the monocoque eg cutting a bulkhead to get a bigger motor in, should result in an IVA, this all came in about 8 years ago, so i'de suggest any modifications were done pre that then they are OK. On a vehicle with a seperate chassis you can basically do what you want and retain the ID, as long as you don't modify the chassis. There are an awful lot of land/ range rover bobtails (chassis cut down to just behind the rear wheel) that have been pulled and lost their ID, in fact they carried out an inspection at one off road event and found issues with 75% of the vehicles their. All the details are freely available on the net - looking at the forums its something VOSA etc are clamping down on Here is a reference for you to have a look at: www.the-ace.org.uk/existing-registered-vehicles-the-8-point-rule-and-retrospective-biva/#more-751www.the-ace.org.uk/links-to-existing-legislation-svadvla/Your vehicle must have 8 or more points if you want to keep the original registration number Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer) 5 points Suspension (front and back) - original 2 points Axles (both) - original 2 points Transmission - original 2 points Steering assembly - original 2 points Engine - original 1 points Well that's me with 0 points then!!!! WTF! absolutely ridiculous as most people who have modified any car with an engine change has fallen under the 8 point system just think of all those cars with altered bulkheads and transmission tunnels? NOT MUCH OF A FREE COUNTRY IS IT? soon you want even be allowed to change your cars stereo headunit without some half wit making some law against it and having to have it inspected and getting a certificate of approval...........
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Post by mk1 on Feb 12, 2014 10:27:26 GMT 1
On a vehicle with a seperate chassis you can basically do what you want and retain the ID, as long as you don't modify the chassis. don't see that working? all you would get is 5 points? if you change the engine and gearbox -3 points modify the suspension -2 points Steering assembly -2 points axles -2 points even if I used a transit pickup could never keep 8 points unless I fitted the engine mid-mounted without bulkhead mods would mean I would have to use a transaxle that's -6 points and I would have to keep all the front steering and front axle as is +3 points chassis with new engine / gearbox mounts and suspension pickups welded on? is that not a chassis modification? also the rear bed if that was altered would that also be a body mod fail? and at the end of the day why would I do it and keep all the out dated crap front end!
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Post by FredTransit on Feb 12, 2014 10:42:17 GMT 1
sorry but fook em. DVLA know what you tell em, or what they accept (in the case of fuel/engine change with documentation). You dont need documentation for historic. VOSA much the same but obv the van will be seen at MOT time. 3.5 ton gross vans are exempt from the IVA. We have a van that would make about 1 point yet still gets MOTd. Insure it Test it Tax it DRIVE IT!!
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Post by sidewaysjas on Feb 12, 2014 23:03:25 GMT 1
I think MOT's were tightened up again at the beginning of this year, but as ever it depends on the tester involved. Jas
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Post by dodgerover on Feb 12, 2014 23:22:47 GMT 1
chassis with new engine / gearbox mounts and suspension pickups welded on? is that not a chassis modification? also the rear bed if that was altered would that also be a body mod fail? You can weld on what you like as long as you don't chop anything off from what I can gather, rear bed again as long as you don't chop the chassis (bearing in mind you've got 3 different wheelbases to pick from) then you can do what you want - thats what the range rover/ discovery bob tails were all getting in trouble over lump cut out of the rear of the chassis and a new cross member put on. It's entirely up to you what you do and who you tell, but personally I wouldn't want to go and get one inspected for first UK reg that was that radically altered, get it MOT'd & registered first and then start playing. IFS at the front and a Jag IRS you would probably get away with as the inspection is basically just to confirm it is what you are claiming it to be and that the ID all tallies. However you do occasionally get someone who does know what they are looking at (usually because they are into that sort of thing) which I've had a couple of times with bikes, never been a problem just a bit of a surprise. I wouldn't put up pictures showing the reg number while you are doing the alterations, you never know who is looking and feeling vindictive or who they might work for (RR and tattoostudios bmw/ Mk1 escort springs to mind) As Fred say the bigger ones are exempted from an IVA anyway so why not start with a LWB, twin wheels would be better getting all that power to the ground !)
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Post by supersport on Feb 14, 2014 4:52:04 GMT 1
helo and welcome to the forum, nice to see someone else from dorset on here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 7:40:28 GMT 1
Your mot class is printed in your mot certificate. Though obviously if you buy an unregistered van then you won't have this. My mk6 twin wheel and my mk2 twin wheel are both class7. With regards to the radically altered I think it still comes down to a points system which a mid engined supervan type would most likely not meet. Could you not mount the V8 in the engine bay? You'd more likely then just have to declare an engine capacity change. If you went mid engine then I think any other changes ie suspension, brakes, steering rack etc are much more likely to be noticed which could open a can of worms! It may be worth taking a look at the NSRA hot rod forum as there's a whole area and people with experience that's devoted to the massive headache that is involved with hotrod chassis, engine swaps etc Or just do it and drive it and worry about it later
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Post by FredTransit on Feb 25, 2014 10:17:46 GMT 1
dont just read your MOT cert. Genuine mistakes happen. We had a SWB Mk1 with a class7! Our regular MOT place too.
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Post by FredTransit on Mar 2, 2014 12:11:43 GMT 1
ralph's just put up a van, no engine. Look in the parts section....
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Post by Ralph on Mar 2, 2014 12:59:04 GMT 1
ralph's just put up a van, no engine. Look in the parts section.... The van is still complete at the moment apart from the engine, it needs the usual repairs i should be collecting the V5 later today if any one's interested in it complete. I tried to upload picture's. Ralph
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Post by glencachia on May 2, 2014 0:11:08 GMT 1
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