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Post by FredTransit on Jan 13, 2017 16:01:07 GMT 1
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Post by sleepy on Jan 13, 2017 20:51:53 GMT 1
My 100E is sorn and I have it on a laid up insurance. Only costs about £40 a year.
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Post by dodgerover on Jan 13, 2017 21:08:05 GMT 1
It's a complete cock up, from what I understand it goes something like farmer has vehicle he uses on his/ her own land, there's a public footpath in the vacinity so he has to have insurance incase a member of the public chucks themselves under the combine or something. It has major implications for closed motor sports events as well as it will mean all the vehicles entered should be insured 3rd party as a minimum
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Post by corktina on Jan 13, 2017 22:17:32 GMT 1
if the vehicle is of particular value, you'd want it insured against theft or fire surely. Mine is, even though it's declared off road
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 14, 2017 0:19:03 GMT 1
I don't think laid up insurance counts in this case,it has to be cover a third party can claim off.
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Post by danclift on Jan 15, 2017 0:24:50 GMT 1
so i need to insure my ford ka reliant regal all my bikes and the trike even tho all those are parked off the road on sorn and the reliant is in bits being restored ? who pays for the insurance ? i cant afford to and i assume i could be fined if i dont insure them ?
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 15, 2017 14:06:49 GMT 1
Basically, they are saying if a vehicle is now SORN'd, in future it MAY need insurance if it's in one piece or not. Obviously, this hasn't been put into law yet, but the farm worker's case has set a precedence.
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Post by muttleymk2 on Jan 15, 2017 22:21:53 GMT 1
The vehicle has to be in a drveable condition and in regular use off road
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 15, 2017 23:23:40 GMT 1
I think the main issue here is that our SORN is threatened, as it becomes irrelevant once you have to have insurance.
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 15, 2017 23:32:45 GMT 1
Here's another article on it. motormarks.co.uk/news/number-plate-news-classics-on-sorn-may-have-to-be-insured/Classics on SORN may have to be insured A new ruling by the European Court of Justice means that Classic Car Owners may have to insure their cars even when they are being stored or repaired off the road. The Department for Transport has launched a consultation following a ruling in favour of Damijan Vnuk, a Slovenian man who was injured when knocked off a ladder by a trailer attached to a tractor in a barn. It has set the European legal precedent that vehicles – including Classic Cars currently registered as SORN, Statutory Off Road Notification – need to be insured even when on private land. Andrew Jones MP, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport says he has serious misgivings about the rulings implications. Under the current system, classic owners don’t have to insure their car or pay road tax as SORN is registered with the DVLA. Changes to the law in 2013 meant that Historic Vehicles for which owners don’t pay road tax for – must be insured even when they are off the road. But unless the Government changes its interpretation of the Motor Insurance Directive then cars that are off the road and classed as SORN will have to be covered too. Governments Options Every vehicle on SORN must always have insurance in place. The Department for Transport believes that this is ‘onerous’ and actually goes beyond what the Vnuk judgement requires. Any SORN vehicle which is used on private land must have insurance in place. This meets the requirements of the court case, but the government hasn’t stipulated what constitutes ‘use’. Amending the EU’s Motor Insurance Directive altogether, meaning a vehicle would only need compulsory insurance if its used on land to which the public has access. If a classic on SORN is being used on public land the owner would be committing an offence, as is the case now. The Department for Transport’s prefferred option, but potentially would require a new Act of Parliament to enact it.
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Post by conrod on Jan 16, 2017 0:30:48 GMT 1
ouch! I can just about see the angry faces and hear the swearing from over here! ...................
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Post by danclift on Jan 16, 2017 16:03:31 GMT 1
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Post by FredTransit on Jan 16, 2017 16:24:59 GMT 1
If this gets in, yes. It's like road tax. If something is on the public road, it needs to be taxed. Never mind the engine's seized.
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Post by danclift on Jan 16, 2017 16:38:20 GMT 1
even tho its in a council garage ?
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Post by dodgerover on Jan 16, 2017 19:35:23 GMT 1
Yes if it's registered and the stupid scheme comes in unchanged you would need 3rd party person minimum.
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